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In Arizona the amount of Class III machines is based on the size of the Tribe with a maximum of 1,301 slots for any one Casino. The Tribe I work for, for example, is very small. I think we have about 140 or so Tribal Members. We have 566 Class III slot machines. I believe we are allowed 40 Class II machines as well, but we do not use them at this time. There is some dispute if the Class II machines can really be limited and this may be tested at some point, but for now that is the theoretical limit.
Almost anytime the Tribes contest something and it ends up going to Court, the Tribes win. There has been ongoing litigation for a Casino in Glendale for the last 3 years or so. The Governor said no, there were court cases and appeals and the Tribe won every one of them. Now the Gaming Commission says no (after the Casino has already broke ground) and that will be going to court. I expect the Tribe to win this one as well. The Sovereign Nation designation usually wins over the States wishes.
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Depends on the level of the court. At the Supreme Court level the tribes have won one case in the last ten. The Bay Mills decision was the last win and even that wasn't really a total win. Court basically said the state could not sue the tribe but could sue the individual members. I will say the Tohono O'odham Nation has had one heck of a winning court record regarding their attempt to open a casino in Glendale though. What a convoluted path that has been.
Apr 02, 2019 Introduction to Oklahoma Slot Machine Casino Gambling in 2019. Oklahoma slot machine casino gambling consists of over a hundred American Indian tribal casinos or travel centers as well as two pari-mutuel racinos with slot machines. Most casinos offer Class II competition-style gaming machines, although they can also legally offer Class III slot machines. VGT Slot Machines. If you’re an American gambler and you don’t remember seeing VGT slot machines, then you probably live near one of the major gambling hubs in America. VGT isn’t as prominent in Las Vegas, Reno, Atlantic City, or Tunica, where IGT and a few other companies dominate the class III slot machine market. Class II is restricted Gaming, and does not allow 'real' Slot Machines, which are based on a Random Number Generator Program. Class III is pretty much full gaming, but each state can regulate things. For example, traditional Craps and Roulette can't be offered in California, though electronic or alternative version can be offered.
I will say that in OK, at Downstream Casino, a tribal resort I visited a couple weeks ago, it was all Class II slots. And I killed both the VP and the regular slots, much better than my usual returns, especially the VP. (I posted a couple of the better VP wins in the 'Not Quite a Royal' thread). I owe them a larger write-up, because they were excellent in all respects.
The best thing they do there, and different from all other OK casinos to my knowledge, is if you sign up for their player card (free) and play rated, THEY pay the state-mandatory .50/hand fee for you (they track it with dummy chips in the dealer's tray). So your EV on the table games is not diminished by the cost of the hands like all other OK casinos.
Pretty sure Downstream and many other OK casinos offer Class III slots/VP (legal with a state compact), otherwise VPFree2 needs to remove their listings...
I will say that in OK, at Downstream Casino, a tribal resort I visited a couple weeks ago, it was all Class II slots. And I killed both the VP and the regular slots, much better than my usual returns, especially the VP. (I posted a couple of the better VP wins in the 'Not Quite a Royal' thread).
How do I tell if a vp machine is a class II or III machine? It is just the pays is it not, like 9/6? Other than that I don't know what to look for. On the slots does it say somewhere on the info screen which class it is, and what is more player friendly, II or III?
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How do I tell if a vp machine is a class II or III machine? It is just the pays is it not, like 9/6? Other than that I don't know what to look for. On the slots does it say somewhere on the info screen which class it is, and what is more player friendly, II or III?
A class II video poker machine, if there were such a thing, must have a predestined outcome. You wouldn't even be able to deliberately lose. For example, let's say the game predestined you to get a royal and gave you four to a royal and a junk card on the deal, think you would toss the junk card and it would give you the fifth card to the royal. If you held everything, which would normally win nothing, then a fairy or something would magically turn the junk card to whatever card you needed for the royal.
A class II video poker machine, if there were such a thing, must have a predestined outcome. You wouldn't even be able to deliberately lose. For example, let's say the game predestined you to get a royal and gave you four to a royal and a junk card on the deal, think you would toss the junk card and it would give you the fifth card to the royal. If you held everything, which would normally win nothing, then a fairy or something would magically turn the junk card to whatever card you needed for the royal.
Thanks Mike.
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A class II video poker machine, if there were such a thing, must have a predestined outcome. You wouldn't even be able to deliberately lose. For example, let's say the game predestined you to get a royal and gave you four to a royal and a junk card on the deal, think you would toss the junk card and it would give you the fifth card to the royal. If you held everything, which would normally win nothing, then a fairy or something would magically turn the junk card to whatever card you needed for the royal.
Fairlys, golden monkeys, genies, leprechauns.... same things that help system players in baccarat.a fairy or something would magically turn the junk card to whatever card you needed for the royal.
In the Washington tribal casinos I've seen (Muckleshoot and Red Wind, specifically), there's a spinner that awards a bonus card. So deceptive.
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Fairlys, golden monkeys, genies, leprechauns.... same things that help system players in baccarat.
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I really appreciate everyones feed back. With that knowledge shared, i have determined that TSR does not use any class 2 slot machines. But my good lord are they tight! Clearly i do not play slots to try and make rent since I have dumped sooo much money into this place. But it would be nice to get a return at some point. Even if the rerurn was in form of a drawing...or a car. I see i have 10 thousand entries in most the drawings and usually they draw 5-10 winners(unless car giveaway) yet i cant get my name picked to save my life. I visit most drawings and i always ask what the percentage is of people checked in compared to people entered. Always less than 5% and i cant get drawn?? Rigged? Tight slots.... ugh at least they let me drink and eat on them whenever. Maybe time for a new place